HETALIA CHIPS: TASTES LIKE IMPERIALISM

[starspangledhero]

Please don't kill me.

Since Mr. Cold War is hoping to get his chip out and Hetalia is absolute crack, I wanted to put up what I hope to do for an event/powers so the cast can have an input if they don't agree. I'm going partly by previous agreements (I can't find the original plotting post but this was the basic outcome) but I fully realize that much of the cast is newer and have more to say.

This is all just to maintain some basic level of consistency (BUT AGAIN. HETALIA. ANYTHING GOES.) But anyway.

POWERS:

Alright, we all know Hetalia is basically "WHATEVER IS FUNNY IS POSSIBLE", but there's so much fanon/actual "powers" that can be concluded from the comics (America's super strength, England's magic, Russia's resistance to dark magic, etc). These following points were discussed in the past and seem to be consistent within the cast, but just to be sure:

✗ Immortality: ...to a degree. I've seen several others say that, in Hetalia-land, they can't die for realsies unless their culture is destroyed, land given away, etc. I would assume that some of the same basic things apply to Discedo.

However--and this is where your opinions count!--since none of the countries are connected to their people or land in Disc, I would imagine they'd be much harder to kill, but not impossible. Or, at the least, if a country were to "die", they'd be revived by the scientists before they'd naturally revive (again, this is all based on personal interpretations). THOUGHTS ARE APPRECIATED.

✗ Fast Healing: If Russia can jump out of a plane and be back on the field in no time, England can recover from (seemingly) life-threatening wounds in three days, and America can break his leg and recover quickly, I think it's safe to say that these guys get over externally-inflicted wounds quickly. What I mean by "externally-inflicted" are wounds like getting shot, stabbed, burned, etc. as opposed to wounds they'd receive due to traumatic historical events or natural disasters, like China's scar from the Sino-Japanese war.

✗ RANDOM BULLSHIT: America breaks the laws of time and space to use Google, Prussia breaks the 4th wall, and Russia eats directional arrows. I have no point to make other than it will get worse than puking bears. WELCOME TO HETALIA. PLEASE LEAVE YOUR RATIONALITY AT THE DOOR.

If there's anything else you guys want to add/contribute, let me know!

CHIP EVENT(ISH):
ALSO CALLED: THIS IS REALLY JUST AN EXCUSE TO HAVE FUN WITH HISTORY
Note: I talked to a mod about this and I think as long as I clear it with you guys, it'll be okay.

This won't affect anyone directly but America, though again, in case anyone is hellbent on something silly like consistency, I'll put this here in case anyone wants to do something similar if their character gets their chip out/if you have any other ideas.

SHORT VERSION: America will be re-experiencing history, both physically and mentally, in hyper speed throughout the "sick" week after chip removal as his body becomes accustomed to being a country again.

MEDIUM VERSION: I'm still totally in the planning process of this.

LONG VERSION: Once America has his chip removed, he'll start feeling lightheaded, extremely queasy, basic sick stuff. He'll still be in his typical 60s mindset by this point, complain, and lay down for a nap.

He's going to wake up slightly younger-looking with better eyesight jaundice. HELLO THERE YELLOW FEVER EPIDEMIC OF 1793. Or maybe I'll start at the end of the Revolutionary war I don't really know at this point.

Not that anyone cares but HERE ARE TIME PERIODS I'M HOPING TO HIT UP THROUGHOUT THE WEEK (or maybe a little longer since I doubt anyone wants me posting every day):
The War of 1812: /invades Canada's vital regions
American Civil War: the return of Sir Multi personality
American Imperialism: "AHHHH I LOVE THE SMELL OF SMALL PACIFIC ISLANDS IN THE MORNING"
World War I: so about them Devil Dogs
The Great Depression: according to O Brother Where Art Thou, people sing and reenact The Odyssey
World War II: oh hay Hetalia
The 1950s Red Scare: "YOU KNOW, JAIL ISN'T SO BAD. YOU SHOULD'VE SEEN SALEM. ALSO HAVE YOU READ THE CRUCIBLE?"
*some is subject to change because DAMN IT I WANT TO DO MANIFEST DESTINY TOO.

America will be behaving and appearing as though he's from these time periods. By that I mean, for example with the Civil War, he'll be torn apart, his body will be wrecked to hell, and worse. He'll also talk as though he's both the Union and the Confederacy and see perceive other countries from the context of his time period. Rinse and repeat with every time period.

SO WHY AM I POSTING ALL THIS HERE? Because I want to know if you guys are okay if I do this. As Parron said, this doesn't have to be the definitive chip event for other countries; we can chalk it all up to willpower, difference in countries and their history, time spent in Discedo, etc. Or we can bullshit it. Once again: this is all depending if you guys want rigid consistency or don't care. I'd like to note that I'm starting after America's independence because colonialism would a) be too much to do and b) kill everyone with the cuteness of Babbymerica. If anyone wants to do something similar, go ahead and start from whatever time period you like/feel comfortable with/what have you.

I FEEL LIKE I HAD MORE TO SAY BUT I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS SPEAK NOW. INPUT PLZ.

And for the record, America won't be getting his chip out until after whatever mod event is upcoming. This is just to plan in the mean time.

Comments

/shamelessly hijacks

[kongeriget]

OKAY HERE ARE SOME FANON/OPINION THINGS I'D LOVE TO HEAR PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON:

✗ Personal Unions. Two countries ~becoming one~. See the Austo-Hungarian Empire, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Denmark-Norway. Do people think of these as friendships, purely business, marriage, something else...? S - seeing as how Denmark and England were unified back when we KNOW England was a baby, I hope it's not marriage.

✗ INVASIONS. Seizing vital regions - sex? Molestation? Violence? Treaties? I will say that personally, I think wars = fighting. N- not rape pleaaaase.

✗ UNICORNS. We know that England sees unicorns, Norway sees trolls, and there's slight implication that Iceland or Denmark can, too (If "you guys have weird friends" is any indication). I personally don't think Den can see them - he just believes his BFF when he says they exist - but does anyone have any general thoughts on that?

✗ HUMAN NAMES. When do they use them? When don't they? Is it intimate, or more of a "for ease of use" cover? Do countries know one another's human names, or only that of their close friends or family?

✗ ETC.

/adds two cents

[stopblamingme.livejournal.com]

Well, Austria and Hungary got 'married', so I think in that situation, it counts. I guess it goes on a case by case basis. I consider the Sino-Russian alliance and the Anglo-Japanese alliance to be just specific friendships, too.

.....the second one I also view on a case by case, but that is because I am a horrible person. I think it depends on who or what is being taken over?

RUSSIA JUST REPELS DARK ENERGY FOREVER. Somehow it works.

Canada has called America, England, and France by their real names. I figure it's a 'family' thing.

/steals

[kongeriget]

Well, I guess that's another point. Alliances = friendships? Or yes? Or no? Or sometimes? Are there any specific past alliances - I'm not asking you specifically - that = something, and others that = nothing? ahhh fandom why so vagueeee.

And yes, this is true. I don't think invasions are ever PLEASANT, but. IDK. Yeah. Like in Denmark's case, I just can't imagine the Dano-Swedish wars as being anything other than Denmark and Sweden punching one another. A lot. A lot.

DENMARK'S SUPER POWER: HIS LIVER HAS YET TO FAIL.

Also I think Denmark has called Sweden and Finland by their first names when he was pissed off at them, but has never used them at any other point. Ahahaha.

[starspangledhero]

I like to think of invasions as what it would feel like to have parasites running around under your skin eating you slowly from the inside out /pleasant imagery

Curiosity time if we're getting into general discussion

[a-thousandyears.livejournal.com]

Speaking of, occupations. Do the occupied nations live in the same house as the conqueror? I know Parron and Germany-mun were playing it that Denmark stayed in Copenhagen or wherever, but the definition of "house" and it's physical implications is... vague, sometimes. Like, would all of the Japanese Empire have stayed together during/prior to World War One? Or did Japan just make regular house visits? Same for the Soviet Union, I guess, and so on so forth.

Re: Curiosity time if we're getting into general discussion

[starspangledhero]

The Soviet Union, at least in the anime, is a big house, which... kinda makes sense, given everyone pretty much grouped the Baltics/Belarus/Ukraine under the general title "Soviet Union." At least that's the impression that I get since places like Kiev was always seen as a part of the Soviet Union, not Ukraine.

I guess it depends on the situation and how you want to look at the "house" situation, really.

Re: Curiosity time if we're getting into general discussion

[kongeriget]

AHHH I really don't know. We know in canon that during the Kalmar Union, all the Nordics lived in Denmark's house. But I think I assumed that during WW2, Denmark stayed in Copenhagen, yeah. But at the same time, Denmark was mostly left alone due to special circumstances/model protectorate - he was allowed to keep his government, Prime Minister, and police until 1943, which is when I play him. So I can easily see it as Denmark being allowed to live on his own UNTIL then, and then being forced to hang out at Germany's house and mooch beer. But at the same time, during a relatively short-term war like WW2 (in comparison to some, I mean) - Denmark was occupied, but he wasn't made part of Germany; same with Poland and Holland and so on. Unlike say when Hungary became Royal Hungary/part of Turkey, or was then brought into the Holy Roman Empire.

/two cents

That also then leads to colonies! Do colonies live with their sovereign nations? What about home rule? Or is it just a visiting often kind of deal - I know that's the case with America and England, but I know Denmark and Iceland were playing it that Iceland lived with Denmark until he was given home rule (in... the late 19th century ffff). Which in retrospect might not be logical.

[starspangledhero]

headcanon time fuck yes

HUMAN NAMES: At least in America's case, he sees himself as an individual within a larger structure. Yes, he's a country, and his people determine what he is, but he also had a body, mind, and emotions. I reason that this is mainly due to the fact that America is such a hugely individualistic society (seriously, how many of us actually hold respect of elders and the need to conform above individuality?). To him, "America" is what he is, providing a sort of framework for his personality and actions. Alfred F. Jones is his self--the body and mind that can hug, love, cry, anything that a human can do. He mostly only tells his citizens once they know he's The United States of America, at least that's his pattern thus far in the game. It's both an intimate and casual thing for him, depending on who is using it.

I have no idea if I made sense there.

idk how many countries would know his human name. England, Canada, and France definitely, Denmark since America told him, maybe Finland and (if he ever met America in the future) Sweden.

[kongeriget]

lololol yeah and Denmark is all about. Um. Janteloven. Ahahaha. CONFORM. FIT IN. YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE (but no one is better than you). YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. So he probably sees himself as much less of an individual than America does/would this is really interesting let us continue talking about it. To him, he is very proudly and happily ALL "Denmark" and nothing else, and despite how much he does suck at NOT blurring the lines between Denmark and Self, he - hm, yeah. Doesn't tend to think ... of himself as an individual. So he feels kind of weird giving out his name; I think... he's told two or three really close CR. I think he's starting to be more - "self" in Discedo, but he thinks it's because of the chip, the "take away the connection and what's left."

TL;DRRRRR

[starspangledhero]

IT'S NOT TL;DR I'M TL;DR

dude Denmark needs to bring this up with America some day because he's going to be all "what the fuck is wrong with you" because this is one belief that's unshakable in his mind. This is especially huge to him now with the whole BUCK THE SYSTEM, REVOLUTIONIZE THE WORLD, FUCK CONFORMITY the culture of the 60s. Partly this is due to him growing up basically alone with humans in this hugely vast land (because seriously the only countries in any sort of vicinity are Canada and Mexico), so he basically grew up around people who saw him as an individual, even if they knew he was the representation of their country.

So America getting his chip out isn't removing his identity and connections to him; if anything, it's reestablishing a part of himself that was lost.

[kongeriget]

JANTELOVEN:

1. Don't think that you are special.
2. Don't think that you are of the same standing as us.
3. Don't think that you are smarter than us.
4. Don't fancy yourself as being better than us.
5. Don't think that you know more than us.
6. Don't think that you are more important than us.
7. Don't think that you are good at anything.
8. Don't laugh at us.
9. Don't think that any one of us cares about you.
10. Don't think that you can teach us anything.

WHICH ISN'T QUITE AS MEAN AS IT SOUNDS, IT'S MORE LIKE A REMINDER TO LIKE. NOT GET FULL OF YOURSELF YOU AREN'T THAT GREAT, "US" TRIUMPHS "YOU", etc. The individual is not anything on the group, and Danish people are often said to feel awkward when they're NOT in the group, so while having individual thoughts and opinions and feelings is great, it's kind of like... yeah, "but, going along with the group is best." AND OF COURSE, Denmark is very, very old. And this was more Iceland's thing, but vikings actually DID hold Things (that's... the actual word it doesn't mean 'thing'), like, way back in the day, group discussions Iceland didn't even have a king or an elder or anything. So he's very old and very used to the idea that individuality and sticking it to the man is... kind of suspicious and American it would be so much better if we were happy little socialists.

[cccpfuckyeah.livejournal.com]

wowww that is way more thought than I ever put into it, but yeah, that's how I see it, too.

I always viewed Canada as being more lenient to telling people he's Matthew than America is, but it hasn't come up yet. Then again, he struggles with constant inadequacies, and wants to be recognized as something other than Vinland.

Russia is Russia, though he goes as the USSR (technically he introduces himself as both). He views everyone as equal, and keeps everyone at a certain distance: meaning, if you do not know my name, it is not personal, and I am still above you, as you are part of me, and you have no authority over me whatsoever. It's a power issue, since his identity is the only thing he really has control over /lol his life sucks forever But yeah, Communism and all, and family is important even if his is effed up. And everyone needs to be happy.

So far, only China has called him Ivan, but he's still bitter at China forever right now and is suspicious as hell over everyone leaving him. Most likely Ukraine and Belarus will call him that, too. Sweden probably knows his name, but he's a fail dad and nobody cares about him.

[starspangledhero]

America doesn't introduce himself as Alfred or really tell anyone unless they ask, but he's not super duper secretive about it. In relation to Canada, in my mind, he calls him Matt a lot because, again, he grew up with basically him, a bunch of humans, and England. England himself is a more messy case with using human names because I don't think America's called him Arthur to his face, and if he did it wasn't in the casual "oh I hung out with Arthur today" sort of way.

In a way, it's like having different but equal standards of intimacy between America and his family.

If America ever finds out Russia's name he's going to call him it to his face. And he's going to Anglicanize it. But, to America, it doesn't quite have the same consequences if Russia calls him Alfred. It will just be another FUCKING RUSSIA point.

and lololol Sweden the fail dad it never ceases to amuse me

[cccpfuckyeah.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Matty would call him Al a lot in return. Makes sense. Canada calls them Mr. England and Mr. France, but he loves and respects them both, so yeah. He would neverrrrr call England Arthur to his face unless he was given permission.

Probs serious discussions? Or arguments.

Oh god yes, please do we will do it somehow. Especially because they need to become uneasy friends eventually to fight the aliens they can argue over their names for the sake of arguing. o9

/adds own two cents

[ignoredbaltic.livejournal.com]

AWRIGHT, HEADCANON TIME. ONE BY ONE:

Personal Unions: I think it was... kind of just that, personal unions. Like, the thing with Hetalia is this part is kind of a grey area. If the characters were actually intimate (see: Austria-Hungary; even in their history their countries worked pretty well together) then it might be marriage. On the other hand, it could be classified as "marriage" but done for economic reasons, not the country's own personal prefrence. (Or we could always just be like WELL THE BOSS MADE ME DO IT and leave it at that, if we're feeling lazy.)

INVASIONS: Again, this one. Kind of works like personal unions. People can kind of see it how they want, I guess? I'd really prefer not sex though because just, ergggg that's a little much for most of the people here, ect. I would assume wars=fighting, because my own personal headcanon says that probably, they'd be fighting with their wars/with their soldiers.

UNICORNS: EVERYONE HAS FOLKLORE I think that one's up to the player, because it's not really cannonly-stated except for the few characters you mentioned, so... yeah. Never especially thought about that one.

HUMAN NAMES: I think of it as a more intimate thing? That's kind of the way I've been using it, like human names are their cover for when they need to interact with regular people and not get stared at, but between countries it's kind of like... seeing them as a person as oppose to just a landmass. For me, I kind of see it like using a human name would be like recognizing that the person you're talking to is also a person, not just a country.

heeere's hoping that one made sense.

Re: /shamelessly hijacks

[a-thousandyears.livejournal.com]

General headcanon discussion it's so beautiful

WELL UM OKAY

Personal unions: Case by case basis. Austria-Hungary is marriage because they decided it would be, Denmark and England was just "You're my little brother now! :D Deal with it!", and France and England keep nearly getting engaged because idk they're weird like that. I say all this partly because the Handover of Hong Kong to China is referred to as the Reunification in these parts and no one wants to marry China. No one.

Invasions: Oh, God no no war=rape. And in the strip where the vital regions thing came from, Prussia wasn't actually touching Austria anywhere indecent. It's just that Queen whatsherface thought it sounded like he was. So, I think mostly it's just war=fighting, except in the case of France. But that's France, and probably just a personal choice on his part.

Unicorns: I remember reading on the site somewhere that anyone (except America) who goes to England's house sees them. I've been going with Hong Kong not being able to see them because everyone else was saying stuff like that, but he's pretty spiritual himself so he probably has his own friends. Like tigers sent by Tin Hau to fight the Japanese during WW2. I saw the tiger skin, it's on display in the temple near my house. I have no idea where they go it, the woman who owns the temple doesn't speak English. I need to research Chinese mythology to see if there's anything Hong Kong should be seeing, but I go with "I can't see unicorns but I believe England when he says they're there because why not?" generally.

Human names: I have no idea. I generally go with "for ease of use", but I'm easy.

Re: /shamelessly hijacks

[kongeriget]

You're my little brother now! :D Deal with it!"

sob yeah that's pretty much how it went. XD;;; "SWEDEN AND NORWAY FOUND LITTLE KIDS, SO I CHOOSE YOU, ENGLAND!"

And ahhh IDK maybe characters can like. See them when drunk. Or dead tired. I once - in a different game - played it where Denmark was stressed and half asleep and so could suddenly see Norway's trolls (and kind of freaked over it). Which also works, too, I guess ahhh. Then again, England being insane and everyone just being 8|;;;; is kind of hilarious I don't know.

Re: /shamelessly hijacks

[a-thousandyears.livejournal.com]

And then everyone gets drunk in England's house and that's how they see them? And they go home all "I-it was just a hallucination, right? RIGHT?" and England's like "But you said you saw them they were really real ;o;!!!" and everyone else tries to forget it ever happened. I agree England being insane is always hilarious though.

[cccpfuckyeah.livejournal.com]

Oh god, I need to think about this, because I was always curious if Canada could see them or not, since it only mentions America. (and we all know Canada is way more pure at heart than America is)

All mythical creatures are terrified of Russia, so none would be around him long enough for him to see anyway.

[kongeriget]

Psh, like England is pure of heart. WE'RE ON TO YOU, ENGLAND. I think the more I'm thinking about it, the more there are probably stages, like -

STAGE ONE: England, Norway.
See them ALL THE FREAKING TIME, it never turns off, they are your best friends because you are England and have no friends none.

STAGE TWO: IDK
See them sometimes, under certain conditions, like "you're trying really hard" or "they're sitting still for you" or "you're drunk."

STAGE THREE: Denmark
See them extremely rarely, and only under special conditions (exhaustion, sickness, etc.)

STAGE FOUR: America
What unicorn?

oh my

[brbmodernizing]

I love seeing what other people think about things like this.

Personal unions are definitely case by case.

Invasions I definitely see as wars..

Unicorns, I don't even know. Also apparently Japan used to see magical creatures but that stopped or something, and he thought England was crazy or something. I don't even know if he would see fairies and unicorns..

As for human names, that's something I thought about a bit more than anything else. Haha, I think that since they are both people and countries, their country name represents their actions as an entire country. In forum roleplay, I use their human names when they are speaking on a personal level. If that makes sense. With that said, I find the use of their human names a pretty rare occurrence for most, in my head. Except somehow I see America as someone who just goes around using everyone else's human names whenever he wants. It makes sense in my mind.

[zweiplusvier.livejournal.com]

✗ Personal Unions. Actually, I think it depends. the Austro-Hungarian Empire seems like a marriage I mean that's what they refer to it is. The Commonwealth was not a marriage but they lived together. Then we have the Austrian Anschluss, for example, which is something canon did touch upon. Apparently, "The word Anschluss outside the context of March 1938 is properly translated as "joinder", "connection", "unification" or "political union"" and not just annexation. Germany goes and tells Austria he's annexing/unifying/whatever, but this just kind of ends up with Austria telling Germany to get tea, etc, like a horrible house guest. Finally, as Exhibit (what are we up to) D? we have German Unification. AND I PROMISE IT'S NOT A MARRIAGE. Because. aflkdjfkds. It's not marriage. My headcanon has Prussia chilling at Germany's house but that's another headcanon story.


✗ INVASIONS. I see no way that invasions could be rape, especially since canonically Germany tells Austria - during World War II or somewhere thereabouts as far as I can tell? - during the Valentine's Day comic that he "wouldn't have known what to do with a woman" the implication there being not only about the woman, but also about men because he grabs Austria's arm and is like "Austria, you're a guy..." (Okay the Valentine's Day comic is on total crack) but I think the point I'm trying to make is that makes Germany canonically a virgin in my headcanon prior (or after depending on the interpretation of the comic) to that comic, which I tend to file during World War II in my brain meaning that World War I would have happened and he basically invaded a bunch of people in the first time around, and committed acts including "The Rape of Belgium" (......I can't make this stuff up. I wouldn't want to I swear it's called that) in 1914 and so if invasions were really rape, then. well. He would've known what to do with a woman.

✗ UNICORNS. I have nothing about this, actually, so moving on.


✗ HUMAN NAMES. I'm not a fan of the human names at all, actually. It seems to me that they seemed to be originally there so it was less awkward to write. But contextually I imagine they'd probably be used in a "for ease of use" cover kind of a thing? Or going around their country trying not to be called out or anything like that. I imagine it's fairly common knowledge but not necessarily. It could be something they just use and don't find a need to tell anyone else.

[starspangledhero]

BELGIUM NOOOOOOOOO

yeah I've already given my two cents on the human names thing, but I prefer to primarily use the country names since that's what they are.

[zweiplusvier.livejournal.com]

When I read about that I was just like ......ohmygod.

Definitely.

[starspangledhero]

maybe he just forced her to drink his blood

and he bit her neck

like the "Rape of Mina" in Dracula

Germany: I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH A WOMAN /DRINKS HER BLOOD

idk