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✪ A M E R I C A ✪ (Alfred F. Jones) ✪ ([personal profile] starspangledhero) wrote in [community profile] oldmanhangout2010-04-10 01:18 am

HETALIA CHIPS: TASTES LIKE IMPERIALISM

Please don't kill me.

Since Mr. Cold War is hoping to get his chip out and Hetalia is absolute crack, I wanted to put up what I hope to do for an event/powers so the cast can have an input if they don't agree. I'm going partly by previous agreements (I can't find the original plotting post but this was the basic outcome) but I fully realize that much of the cast is newer and have more to say.

This is all just to maintain some basic level of consistency (BUT AGAIN. HETALIA. ANYTHING GOES.) But anyway.

POWERS:

Alright, we all know Hetalia is basically "WHATEVER IS FUNNY IS POSSIBLE", but there's so much fanon/actual "powers" that can be concluded from the comics (America's super strength, England's magic, Russia's resistance to dark magic, etc). These following points were discussed in the past and seem to be consistent within the cast, but just to be sure:

Immortality: ...to a degree. I've seen several others say that, in Hetalia-land, they can't die for realsies unless their culture is destroyed, land given away, etc. I would assume that some of the same basic things apply to Discedo.

However--and this is where your opinions count!--since none of the countries are connected to their people or land in Disc, I would imagine they'd be much harder to kill, but not impossible. Or, at the least, if a country were to "die", they'd be revived by the scientists before they'd naturally revive (again, this is all based on personal interpretations). THOUGHTS ARE APPRECIATED.

Fast Healing: If Russia can jump out of a plane and be back on the field in no time, England can recover from (seemingly) life-threatening wounds in three days, and America can break his leg and recover quickly, I think it's safe to say that these guys get over externally-inflicted wounds quickly. What I mean by "externally-inflicted" are wounds like getting shot, stabbed, burned, etc. as opposed to wounds they'd receive due to traumatic historical events or natural disasters, like China's scar from the Sino-Japanese war.

RANDOM BULLSHIT: America breaks the laws of time and space to use Google, Prussia breaks the 4th wall, and Russia eats directional arrows. I have no point to make other than it will get worse than puking bears. WELCOME TO HETALIA. PLEASE LEAVE YOUR RATIONALITY AT THE DOOR.

If there's anything else you guys want to add/contribute, let me know!

CHIP EVENT(ISH):
ALSO CALLED: THIS IS REALLY JUST AN EXCUSE TO HAVE FUN WITH HISTORY
Note: I talked to a mod about this and I think as long as I clear it with you guys, it'll be okay.

This won't affect anyone directly but America, though again, in case anyone is hellbent on something silly like consistency, I'll put this here in case anyone wants to do something similar if their character gets their chip out/if you have any other ideas.

SHORT VERSION: America will be re-experiencing history, both physically and mentally, in hyper speed throughout the "sick" week after chip removal as his body becomes accustomed to being a country again.

MEDIUM VERSION: I'm still totally in the planning process of this.

LONG VERSION: Once America has his chip removed, he'll start feeling lightheaded, extremely queasy, basic sick stuff. He'll still be in his typical 60s mindset by this point, complain, and lay down for a nap.

He's going to wake up slightly younger-looking with better eyesight jaundice. HELLO THERE YELLOW FEVER EPIDEMIC OF 1793. Or maybe I'll start at the end of the Revolutionary war I don't really know at this point.

Not that anyone cares but HERE ARE TIME PERIODS I'M HOPING TO HIT UP THROUGHOUT THE WEEK (or maybe a little longer since I doubt anyone wants me posting every day):
The War of 1812: /invades Canada's vital regions
American Civil War: the return of Sir Multi personality
American Imperialism: "AHHHH I LOVE THE SMELL OF SMALL PACIFIC ISLANDS IN THE MORNING"
World War I: so about them Devil Dogs
The Great Depression: according to O Brother Where Art Thou, people sing and reenact The Odyssey
World War II: oh hay Hetalia
The 1950s Red Scare: "YOU KNOW, JAIL ISN'T SO BAD. YOU SHOULD'VE SEEN SALEM. ALSO HAVE YOU READ THE CRUCIBLE?"
*some is subject to change because DAMN IT I WANT TO DO MANIFEST DESTINY TOO.

America will be behaving and appearing as though he's from these time periods. By that I mean, for example with the Civil War, he'll be torn apart, his body will be wrecked to hell, and worse. He'll also talk as though he's both the Union and the Confederacy and see perceive other countries from the context of his time period. Rinse and repeat with every time period.

SO WHY AM I POSTING ALL THIS HERE? Because I want to know if you guys are okay if I do this. As Parron said, this doesn't have to be the definitive chip event for other countries; we can chalk it all up to willpower, difference in countries and their history, time spent in Discedo, etc. Or we can bullshit it. Once again: this is all depending if you guys want rigid consistency or don't care. I'd like to note that I'm starting after America's independence because colonialism would a) be too much to do and b) kill everyone with the cuteness of Babbymerica. If anyone wants to do something similar, go ahead and start from whatever time period you like/feel comfortable with/what have you.

I FEEL LIKE I HAD MORE TO SAY BUT I'M GOING TO LET YOU GUYS SPEAK NOW. INPUT PLZ.

And for the record, America won't be getting his chip out until after whatever mod event is upcoming. This is just to plan in the mean time.
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[personal profile] kongeriget 2010-04-10 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
I AGREE THAT THIS IS EPIC and also that a general headcanon discussion would be kind of cool invasions invasions marriages political unions ahhhhhhhhh

Also as you know, America MUST show up to the nation meeting high on imperialism.
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[personal profile] kongeriget 2010-04-10 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
OKAY HERE ARE SOME FANON/OPINION THINGS I'D LOVE TO HEAR PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON:

✗ Personal Unions. Two countries ~becoming one~. See the Austo-Hungarian Empire, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Denmark-Norway. Do people think of these as friendships, purely business, marriage, something else...? S - seeing as how Denmark and England were unified back when we KNOW England was a baby, I hope it's not marriage.

✗ INVASIONS. Seizing vital regions - sex? Molestation? Violence? Treaties? I will say that personally, I think wars = fighting. N- not rape pleaaaase.

✗ UNICORNS. We know that England sees unicorns, Norway sees trolls, and there's slight implication that Iceland or Denmark can, too (If "you guys have weird friends" is any indication). I personally don't think Den can see them - he just believes his BFF when he says they exist - but does anyone have any general thoughts on that?

HUMAN NAMES. When do they use them? When don't they? Is it intimate, or more of a "for ease of use" cover? Do countries know one another's human names, or only that of their close friends or family?

✗ ETC.
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[identity profile] stopblamingme.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Well, Austria and Hungary got 'married', so I think in that situation, it counts. I guess it goes on a case by case basis. I consider the Sino-Russian alliance and the Anglo-Japanese alliance to be just specific friendships, too.

.....the second one I also view on a case by case, but that is because I am a horrible person. I think it depends on who or what is being taken over?

RUSSIA JUST REPELS DARK ENERGY FOREVER. Somehow it works.

Canada has called America, England, and France by their real names. I figure it's a 'family' thing.
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[personal profile] kongeriget 2010-04-10 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I guess that's another point. Alliances = friendships? Or yes? Or no? Or sometimes? Are there any specific past alliances - I'm not asking you specifically - that = something, and others that = nothing? ahhh fandom why so vagueeee.

And yes, this is true. I don't think invasions are ever PLEASANT, but. IDK. Yeah. Like in Denmark's case, I just can't imagine the Dano-Swedish wars as being anything other than Denmark and Sweden punching one another. A lot. A lot.

DENMARK'S SUPER POWER: HIS LIVER HAS YET TO FAIL.

Also I think Denmark has called Sweden and Finland by their first names when he was pissed off at them, but has never used them at any other point. Ahahaha.
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lololol yeah and Denmark is all about. Um. Janteloven. Ahahaha. CONFORM. FIT IN. YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE (but no one is better than you). YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. So he probably sees himself as much less of an individual than America does/would this is really interesting let us continue talking about it. To him, he is very proudly and happily ALL "Denmark" and nothing else, and despite how much he does suck at NOT blurring the lines between Denmark and Self, he - hm, yeah. Doesn't tend to think ... of himself as an individual. So he feels kind of weird giving out his name; I think... he's told two or three really close CR. I think he's starting to be more - "self" in Discedo, but he thinks it's because of the chip, the "take away the connection and what's left."

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[identity profile] cccpfuckyeah.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
wowww that is way more thought than I ever put into it, but yeah, that's how I see it, too.

I always viewed Canada as being more lenient to telling people he's Matthew than America is, but it hasn't come up yet. Then again, he struggles with constant inadequacies, and wants to be recognized as something other than Vinland.

Russia is Russia, though he goes as the USSR (technically he introduces himself as both). He views everyone as equal, and keeps everyone at a certain distance: meaning, if you do not know my name, it is not personal, and I am still above you, as you are part of me, and you have no authority over me whatsoever. It's a power issue, since his identity is the only thing he really has control over /lol his life sucks forever But yeah, Communism and all, and family is important even if his is effed up. And everyone needs to be happy.

So far, only China has called him Ivan, but he's still bitter at China forever right now and is suspicious as hell over everyone leaving him. Most likely Ukraine and Belarus will call him that, too. Sweden probably knows his name, but he's a fail dad and nobody cares about him.
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[identity profile] ignoredbaltic.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
AWRIGHT, HEADCANON TIME. ONE BY ONE:

Personal Unions: I think it was... kind of just that, personal unions. Like, the thing with Hetalia is this part is kind of a grey area. If the characters were actually intimate (see: Austria-Hungary; even in their history their countries worked pretty well together) then it might be marriage. On the other hand, it could be classified as "marriage" but done for economic reasons, not the country's own personal prefrence. (Or we could always just be like WELL THE BOSS MADE ME DO IT and leave it at that, if we're feeling lazy.)

INVASIONS: Again, this one. Kind of works like personal unions. People can kind of see it how they want, I guess? I'd really prefer not sex though because just, ergggg that's a little much for most of the people here, ect. I would assume wars=fighting, because my own personal headcanon says that probably, they'd be fighting with their wars/with their soldiers.

UNICORNS: EVERYONE HAS FOLKLORE I think that one's up to the player, because it's not really cannonly-stated except for the few characters you mentioned, so... yeah. Never especially thought about that one.

HUMAN NAMES: I think of it as a more intimate thing? That's kind of the way I've been using it, like human names are their cover for when they need to interact with regular people and not get stared at, but between countries it's kind of like... seeing them as a person as oppose to just a landmass. For me, I kind of see it like using a human name would be like recognizing that the person you're talking to is also a person, not just a country.

heeere's hoping that one made sense.

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[identity profile] a-thousandyears.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
General headcanon discussion it's so beautiful

WELL UM OKAY

Personal unions: Case by case basis. Austria-Hungary is marriage because they decided it would be, Denmark and England was just "You're my little brother now! :D Deal with it!", and France and England keep nearly getting engaged because idk they're weird like that. I say all this partly because the Handover of Hong Kong to China is referred to as the Reunification in these parts and no one wants to marry China. No one.

Invasions: Oh, God no no war=rape. And in the strip where the vital regions thing came from, Prussia wasn't actually touching Austria anywhere indecent. It's just that Queen whatsherface thought it sounded like he was. So, I think mostly it's just war=fighting, except in the case of France. But that's France, and probably just a personal choice on his part.

Unicorns: I remember reading on the site somewhere that anyone (except America) who goes to England's house sees them. I've been going with Hong Kong not being able to see them because everyone else was saying stuff like that, but he's pretty spiritual himself so he probably has his own friends. Like tigers sent by Tin Hau to fight the Japanese during WW2. I saw the tiger skin, it's on display in the temple near my house. I have no idea where they go it, the woman who owns the temple doesn't speak English. I need to research Chinese mythology to see if there's anything Hong Kong should be seeing, but I go with "I can't see unicorns but I believe England when he says they're there because why not?" generally.

Human names: I have no idea. I generally go with "for ease of use", but I'm easy.
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[personal profile] kongeriget 2010-04-10 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
You're my little brother now! :D Deal with it!"

sob yeah that's pretty much how it went. XD;;; "SWEDEN AND NORWAY FOUND LITTLE KIDS, SO I CHOOSE YOU, ENGLAND!"

And ahhh IDK maybe characters can like. See them when drunk. Or dead tired. I once - in a different game - played it where Denmark was stressed and half asleep and so could suddenly see Norway's trolls (and kind of freaked over it). Which also works, too, I guess ahhh. Then again, England being insane and everyone just being 8|;;;; is kind of hilarious I don't know.

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[personal profile] brbmodernizing 2010-04-10 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I love seeing what other people think about things like this.

Personal unions are definitely case by case.

Invasions I definitely see as wars..

Unicorns, I don't even know. Also apparently Japan used to see magical creatures but that stopped or something, and he thought England was crazy or something. I don't even know if he would see fairies and unicorns..

As for human names, that's something I thought about a bit more than anything else. Haha, I think that since they are both people and countries, their country name represents their actions as an entire country. In forum roleplay, I use their human names when they are speaking on a personal level. If that makes sense. With that said, I find the use of their human names a pretty rare occurrence for most, in my head. Except somehow I see America as someone who just goes around using everyone else's human names whenever he wants. It makes sense in my mind.

[identity profile] zweiplusvier.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
✗ Personal Unions. Actually, I think it depends. the Austro-Hungarian Empire seems like a marriage I mean that's what they refer to it is. The Commonwealth was not a marriage but they lived together. Then we have the Austrian Anschluss, for example, which is something canon did touch upon. Apparently, "The word Anschluss outside the context of March 1938 is properly translated as "joinder", "connection", "unification" or "political union"" and not just annexation. Germany goes and tells Austria he's annexing/unifying/whatever, but this just kind of ends up with Austria telling Germany to get tea, etc, like a horrible house guest. Finally, as Exhibit (what are we up to) D? we have German Unification. AND I PROMISE IT'S NOT A MARRIAGE. Because. aflkdjfkds. It's not marriage. My headcanon has Prussia chilling at Germany's house but that's another headcanon story.


✗ INVASIONS. I see no way that invasions could be rape, especially since canonically Germany tells Austria - during World War II or somewhere thereabouts as far as I can tell? - during the Valentine's Day comic that he "wouldn't have known what to do with a woman" the implication there being not only about the woman, but also about men because he grabs Austria's arm and is like "Austria, you're a guy..." (Okay the Valentine's Day comic is on total crack) but I think the point I'm trying to make is that makes Germany canonically a virgin in my headcanon prior (or after depending on the interpretation of the comic) to that comic, which I tend to file during World War II in my brain meaning that World War I would have happened and he basically invaded a bunch of people in the first time around, and committed acts including "The Rape of Belgium" (......I can't make this stuff up. I wouldn't want to I swear it's called that) in 1914 and so if invasions were really rape, then. well. He would've known what to do with a woman.

✗ UNICORNS. I have nothing about this, actually, so moving on.


✗ HUMAN NAMES. I'm not a fan of the human names at all, actually. It seems to me that they seemed to be originally there so it was less awkward to write. But contextually I imagine they'd probably be used in a "for ease of use" cover kind of a thing? Or going around their country trying not to be called out or anything like that. I imagine it's fairly common knowledge but not necessarily. It could be something they just use and don't find a need to tell anyone else.

[identity profile] cccpfuckyeah.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
OBVIOUSLY IT IS BECAUSE AMERICA IS JESUS

Well America was all 'sup gais I live here' when he was wee petite babby so idk. I like thinking that citizens recognize their countries but can't always place them.

I NEED TO TALK TO A FRANCE BECAUSE I honestly have no idea if one would actually molest Canada (probably yes) and head canon, I figured France 'used' Canada however he saw fit until he got bored with him and exchanged him. He's playing a victim, regardless, and won't talk about it.

And I am a horrible person.

I know Russia's people know who he is, then again he slaughters them on a case by case basis so who the fuck knows.
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[personal profile] kongeriget 2010-04-10 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
DEATH AND DYING
To be honest, I can never really decide. I think it's theoretically possible, but it would have to be under a) a political event and b) really important. Maybe they have some sort of luck thing - maybe a gunshot to the head would take them out for a little bit, I don't know, but I don't think they can actually DIE die unless it was political. I think that Denmark came extremely close in the 19th century, after S-H, which coincides with a huge national depression and the loss of all his good land in 50 years, but... IDK.

SEX
I HAVE PUT THOUGHT INTO THIS. I think that Denmark thinks that homosexuality is fine for nations, but sort of weird for humans. He's a Christian, he's from the 40s, he... just doesn't think it's exactly right. And he doesn't think he's being hypocritical, because he doesn't think humans and nations are the same thing at all; "God never said anything about us," or something. So yeah, it's kind of icky to him. That said, I think to him, sex... really isn't a big deal? Not in the way of France. But he's old and has sort of gotten it out of his system. He's had over a thousand years to do it, it's still fun, but he realizes he's good looking and awesome and going to live forever and just doesn't care all that much -- except he's a troll, and he DOES think it's funny that to some countries it still is a big-ish deal. When he was younger, he believed in the whole sex is only for marriage thing, which is one of the reasons he started calling his unification with Norway a marriage once they slept together ffffff. SO NO, HE HASN'T SLEPT AROUND AS MUCH AS HE LIKES TO IMPLY. A few flings before and after his marriage, his "marriage," and that's it.

HUMANS
I think that Denmark, most of the time, passes as a human. He lives in a normal town, goes to a normal store, etc. He interacts with humans, but he's probably a little reclusive -- hm. Very friendly and interested -- they're his people, after all! -- but a lot less of that "I'm so awesome let me tell you about it/myself." I don't think everyone knows he's Denmark, but I don't think it's some huge, gigantic secret. If it comes up, it comes up, and of course the various people in his government/royal family know. As for acceptance -- I think that his royal family, the people he's sort of "closest" to, accept it (probably because he's been visiting them since they were kids, and their parents were kids, etc), and people who have been in government for a while accept it, and it's probable that Danish people feel a sort of draw to him? Maybe not knowing that he IS Denmark, but a sort of feeling of familiarity and "do I know you" and friendliness.

BEFORE COUNTRIES OKAY I HAVE SO MUCH HEADCANON FOR THIS. I think that Denmark always knew he was SOMETHING connected to his people and this certain patch of land, and then other bits of land, and so on. I don't think he knew he was a country, because what are countries in the 5th century, but he knew he was SOMETHING. And his people probably did think he was a God, and he probably went with it, because lol polytheism and the incredible not aging child. And then when people started -- "hey, I'm the king now," hey, I'm in charge, etc, it sort of clicked like OH, THIS.

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[identity profile] ignoredbaltic.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
Okay uh derpderp we already had the death convo and uhhh I'LL ADDRESS THE ONES I HAVEN'T YET

HUMANS. My personal thinking is it seems like people don't give too much of a shit and just accept it like "oh, cool, we have personifications, that's pretty awesome." I think regular people would see the countries in the same position you'd see a leader or president- you know of them, but you don't know them, unless you would directly interact with them or whatever. Tl;dr, I'm pretty sure they know and it's probably quite a public thing that people are just... used to.

BEFORE "COUNTRIES". OKAY HEADCANON TIEM I'm kind of thinking that like, ancient god religion/legends and stuff were based slightly off of themselves, after something rediculous happened and they realized they probably weren't human (like dying and not staying dead, or waking up later during a ceremonial burial in tribal times or something and having people worship them like gods). I think that's partly the reason some countries see themselves as a little higher-and-mightier than people: for instance, America sees himself as totally bamf because he got a couple thousand years to hang with the indians and be praised. On the other hand, England kind of knew right off the bat from being involved with other countries, so he has less of an opinion of himself over normal people.

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[identity profile] a-thousandyears.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
With the sex thing! Hong Kong thinks homosexuality is gross, but he's much more accepting of it among nations because they're not human after all- and technically they're as much women as they are men. My other Hetalia muses that have nothing to do with Discedo but I still end up using for head canon are much more open minded, because that's their society, but they still view nations as different than humans. Different rules, different sex lives, etc. Hong Kong really is a virgin, because he can't bring himself to get close enough to a human to have a relationship and he's not the type for one night stands. So yeah.

Humans! I think that most of the population know countries exist, but they don't know them personally. Obviously bosses and important figures know, but not everyone. I like the idea of humans feeling instinctively close to their nations when they see them, without quite knowing who they are.

Before countries! Hong Kong knew all his life because China told him, but I think countries that were more isolated wouldn't have? Like, they knew they were different because they weren't aging but they weren't sure why. America mentioned something about "realising" things about himself in the chibi strips, right? That was probably him realising who England, Finland and France were and that they were the same as him. Or maybe even just realising not what they were, but that they were the same as him and that he wasn't just this one weird anomaly.

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For me, Sex headcanon is that every blue moon when England does get rip roaring drunk and bring someone home, his brothers walk in and ruin everything.

As for homosexuality, I think England was... a bit more liberal on the subject than other countries were in the 60s? I did a bit of fact digging a while back, but it's been so long I've kind of forgotten derp.

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[identity profile] yourfaceisscary.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Death - For the physical stuff, I always saw it as they would heal quickly (so like they wouldn't bleed to death or something, and they would be ready to fight the next day) or for the big stuff there would be some sort of divine intervention (that headshot actually just barely grazed the skull, if they're drowning then a huge wave throws them up on shore, etc.) so that they just couldn't die.

Love/Sex - I always figured that the countries would have control over it on an individual level. Like, as long as they did all of their other duties as a nation, they could love whoever they wanted and have sex with whoever they wanted. For Finland, I figured he actually has feelings for Sweden (and a tiny bit for Estonia, but that's hidden under BFF4LIFE stuff) as well as a few crushes on some of his own people in the past, and during times where he had prolonged exposure to his people (like during long wars, or in the 1917 and beyond time for a few years while he was setting up his own nation stuff) he would have a wife or a girlfriend or whatever to 'blend in' with his people. This also goes with the "humans in Hetalia" part: I always thought the nations would keep their identity as a nation secret from the general public and use their human names then, but their high-ranking officials would know.

Before "Countries" - For Finland, I play it as though his memories are really foggy before he met Sweden. Like he knows he was around, and he can remember knowing he was different from his people, but he doesn't remember at what point he realized that.

...tl;dr, it's what's for breakfast.

[identity profile] zweiplusvier.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
✗ DEATH AND DYING. I think a lot about this one, and I think it really depends. Because we have the example of Rome "dying" but showing up to randomly talk to Italy / harass Germany on one occasion - so it has precedent. But then we have Poland, the little country that could. Who kept. Coming. Back. So it really turns out as a logical...dilemma. Why did Germania and Rome die, but not Poland? Because we know, historically, that Poland is a country today? I have a lot of headcanon about Poland staying with Russia and such, and there was definitely still Polish nationalism so I suppose maybe it has a lot to do with the citizens. I mean Poland wasn't a country, but you still have many polish nationalists whereas Romans more or less disappeared? But that doesn't really explain Germania at all. But it is a kind of popular fan theory to kill of Prussia, for the same general reasons I guess as Rome and Germania are gone. There is no Prussia today, and everything. But how do we know that some weird thing won't happen and suddenly: PRUSSIA! I mean, it happened with Poland, didn't it? I would say the defining line goes back to nationalism. I mean probably there are people in Kaliningrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad) who think, gee, this would be cool to be Prussia again but I think the fierce kinds of nationalism that surrounded Prussia are gone - and have been gone - since after World War II. Although Prussia canonically becomes East Germany I don't know that it would really mean that he'd still be around today. I tend to be optimistic, it's just another union, something we've touched on already, so he can still be around. But maybe he really does die like Rome and Germania.

So, basically, they can die, but only if basically all their people - and their people's desire to have said country - are gone. Although really there are a lot of inconsistencies in canon.

✗ SEX. Okay. This is. kind of a complex question because I have a lot of head canon about this, especially lately. Well, for Germany. You other countries can do you thing. But it's story time.

Once upon a time in 1890 a play was written, although it wouldn't be performed until 1906 in Berlin. Now, Germany at this time...was kind of young. The Holy Roman Empire dissolved after the 30 Years War in 1806, which is kind of where my head canon for Germany starts. I tend to think of it as they're the same person, but he doesn't really remember just kind of woke up in the forest oh hi France but more on that in the last question, since it's a big part of headcanon for Germany really. Anyway the play was called Frühlings Erwachen. It deals with some very sexual things and was banned a bunch of times but later made into an American Musical by the same name, Spring Awakening. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Awakening) Canonically, we have the example of the Valentine's Day comic with Germany really talking about his lack of experience, and there is mention of his reading of books to really understand that. I don't think he really learned anything from Prussia - they're brothers, but they don't talk about that stuff. Otherwise he wouldn't have had that conversation with Austria. And in that same comic there is that "oh shit Italy is a guy" kind of moment so I don't think he really thinks of it in terms of homosexuality/heterosexuality w/e because they're nations and that's just. different I suppose, for them? Getting back to Spring Awakening since I've gotten super off track from where I started. I imagine he saw it and was just like what.

oh, lj.

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